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Should Cuomo End Stop-And-Frisk? [POLL]

With the governor’s plan to decriminalize small amounts of marijuana found during police questioning, do you think he will take on the stop-and-frisk issue as a whole?

On Monday, Gov. Andrew Cuomo waded into the stop-and-frisk debate—the practice where police officers may stop anyone on the street they deem suspicious for questioning and a search—by during such stops.

The practice of stop-and-frisk had long been controversial, but the NYPD swears that the searches have been keeping our streets safer.

But in May, NAACP President Benjamin Todd Jealous, 1199 SEIU President George Gresham and Rev. Al Sharpton of the National Action Network  joined other civil rights leaders, faith leaders and elected officials in Foley Square to , arguing that blacks and Latinos are nine times as likely as whites to be stopped.

Days later, cleared the way for class action lawsuits against the NYPD by people who believe they were wrongfully stopped and searched, based their race or background.

Politicians like , and even have called on the city and the state to crack down on race-based stop-and-frisks, saying that the practice creates distrust between the community and police.

So do you think Cuomo’s decision will help turn the tide on street questioning? Or could the situation potentially worsen, with cops doubling the stops they make in order to fulfill arrest quotas now that marijuana will be off the table in most cases? Vote in the poll below, and let us know your thoughts in the comments.

Jim June 05, 2012 at 01:07 PM
Do the people who want to stop S&F live in a fantasy land where police tactics have no impact on crime? S&F probably needs to be monitored and perhaps reformed. Stopping it would broadcast to criminals that they are now allowed to carry weapons without fear of being stopped and arrested. Let the police do their job of keeping us safe.
Abel Santiago June 05, 2012 at 03:29 PM
As a Latino, I believe the enforcement violates The Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution, which states the following; " The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. " * It doesn't matter how one paraphrases the term if by Stop and Frisk or Search and Seizure; it still a violation of our rights to privacy if no probable cause is evident. A. Santiago
Abel Santiago June 05, 2012 at 04:03 PM
Let me just add that creating a law that goes against our constitutional rights is unjustifiable to all Americans. Since it was created with a purpose for us to live as one nation to be undivisable. Therefore, one of the obligations of a police officer is to be prevelent on duty at all times, there is no reason to target a random individual at will without proof of suspicion. It is a ruling of a lesser branch of government known as Communism. The SS did such for Adolf Hitler during WWII and we fought to free others that were not American as we believed in individual freedom... So to you all I compare Michael Bloomberg's NYC Reform Policy to that of Adolf Hitler's Communist Tactics. *P.S... We are a Democratic Government and believe in one constitution set for us, please stop bashing each others political parties including defamation of your President and learn to live as one government despite of political views and preferences. We are serving one hell of an example to the rest of the world with our unstable politics. 1975
chas June 05, 2012 at 07:51 PM
As dedicated New Yorker's, we must deal with very High Taxes (with not much to show for it except it's use in Political corruption), we have a less than stellar School System, we have an ever expanding Nanny State & now you want to take away the one main Police Tactic that has made living here pretty good...I and many others will be going away (and taking our Tax dollars) when that happen's. I will not tolerate living with the rise in Crime Rate that will this time. You on the Left are all Moron's! benti/brooklyn
Kourtney June 05, 2012 at 08:15 PM
Stop and Frisk should NOT be stopped--it is neccessary to keep the city safe. People could be carrying quite dangerous things and it needs to be monitored.
Peter Rothberg June 05, 2012 at 08:26 PM
Kourtney -- The NYPD's own data proves you wrong: Last year, the NYPD made over 680,000 stops—an increase of over 600 percent since 2002. Eighty-seven percent of those stopped were black or Latino, in a city where those groups comprise 54 percent of the population. And in 99.9 percent of those stops, no gun was recovered. This policy does not make us safer and should be immediately abolished.
Peter Rothberg June 05, 2012 at 08:27 PM
Bye-bye Chas -- I hear Yonkers is really nice this time of year.
Peter Rothberg June 05, 2012 at 08:28 PM
Jim -- According to NYPD records, in 99.9 percent of Stop and frisk stops, no gun is recovered. Numerous cities have brought down crime w/o this tactic.
Babette June 06, 2012 at 12:28 PM
A question to all of you who are in support of keeping the stop and frisk law in place, how do you think police officers choose who to stop? If the police suspect an individual of having committed a crime for other reasons, they have plenty of other excuses to arrest that individual. They don't need to use the stop and frisk. So who do you think they stop?
Jim June 06, 2012 at 01:04 PM
Peter - social scientists believe that some people who might have brought a gun out with them are now choosing to leave it at home for fear of being arrested. It is a deterrent.
JMJsquared June 06, 2012 at 03:36 PM
Hello Abel Santiago, When you start by saying, "As a Latino..." and then continue by referring to the Constitution, you are "profiling" yourself, setting yourself apart! That is just what many, if not most, NYPD Officers do: They see "Latino" or "Black" and make assumptions and then ACT upon those assumptions. That malpractice is not limited to White officers either, though they certainly are more likely to be guilty of infinging the Constitutional rights of the people they encounter in areas populated by people ethnically different from them. There are, however, many facts that must be considered in discussing this issue. One being, the vast majority of crimes committed against Black and Latino people are committed by Black and Latino people. I, therefore, ask the question: If most of the criminals are Latino and/or Black, then isn't it appropriate that most of those stopped-and-frisked be from those groups? Until America becomes less systemically racist, you will have many overtly and discretely racist people, including police officers, acting in concert with their racist views. NYPD Officers can be trained, sensitized, de-programmed to resist and, perhaps, overcome any racist tendencies in performing thier duties. Stop-and-frisk, WHEN OBJECTIVELY AND CONSTITUTIONALLY APPLIED, is an effective and justifiable law-enforcement tactic. ---JMJ
Parksloper June 06, 2012 at 04:03 PM
They stop the ones committing the majority of crimes. Nobody in their right mind wants this city to go back to the Dinkin days except liberal apologists looking for votes. Stop & frisk facts: Blacks are 66 percent of all violent-crime suspects, according to the victims of and witnesses to those crimes. Blacks commit around 70 percent of all robberies and about 80 percent of all shootings in the city. Add Hispanic shooters, and you account for 98 percent of all shootings in the city. Whites, by contrast, were only 5 percent of all violent crime suspects in 2011. According to victim and witness reports, they commit barely over 1 percent of all shootings and less than 5 percent of all robberies. Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/stop_frisk_facts_rVuSm8oyOMhFdNe0PzGksO#ixzz1x1sqEopd
Parksloper June 06, 2012 at 04:06 PM
"Last year, stops yielded nearly 800 guns and over 5,000 other weapons, mostly knives. Not enough, say the advocates. But the possibility of getting stopped has clearly deterred many gangbangers from packing heat — which is precisely the point. Harlem’s crack-dealing 137 Street Crew hired girls to carry their guns because their chance of being stopped was so low. Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/stop_frisk_facts_rVuSm8oyOMhFdNe0PzGksO#ixzz1x1uXgGPv
Parksloper June 06, 2012 at 04:07 PM
There are too many stops: Compared to what? In 2011, the police made 685,000 stops. They also arrested or issued summonses to 900,000 individuals, under the much more demanding “probable-cause” standard. There is easily as much behavior in New York that meets the lower “reasonable suspicion” standard for a stop as there is behavior that justifies an arrest. If the department’s roughly 25,000 patrol officers and detectives made just one stop a week, they’d tally 1.1 million stops. The stops don’t produce enough arrests and are therefore mostly targeting the innocent. Ten percent to 12 percent of stops result in an arrest or a summons. The advocates never say what a proper stop-to-arrest rate would be. In any case, just because someone isn’t arrested or summonsed doesn’t mean that the stop didn’t deter a crime. Someone who was casing a victim for a robbery and stopped for that suspicious behavior may not have evidence of a crime on him to justify an arrest, but that stop in all likelihood prevented someone else from being victimized. Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/stop_frisk_facts_rVuSm8oyOMhFdNe0PzGksO#ixzz1x1v3JA7I
Peter Rothberg June 06, 2012 at 08:53 PM
Jim -- To repeat: 99.9 percent of the stops produced NO weapon. Even if "some" people are leaving their guns at home, that still leaves hundreds of thousands of people being unfairly harassed. I'll take seriously any cite you can send but my understanding is that far more social scientists and criminologists consider the program a disaster than feel its been a useful deterrent.
Peter Rothberg June 06, 2012 at 09:03 PM
Dude, if we want to read the NY Post I'll hand over my quarter at the newsstand. These opinion pieces by rightwing flacks amount to propaganda. You aren't even citing reporting, just punditry. In any case, let me clear a few things up: "Ten percent to 12 percent of stops result in an arrest or a summons." These are virtually all for small amounts of cannabis possession -- NOT anything violent of threatening to anyone. That's why the Republican mayor called for a change in his own policy yesterday. If you take out the marijuana arrests, stop and frisk is finding virtually nothing. Also, the idea that stop and frisk impedes violent crime is highly dubious: In 2002, when Ray Kelly last took office, officers stopped 97,296 New Yorkers and the city reported 587 homicides. Last year, those numbers were 685,724 and 532. Hardly dramatic casual data. Please read beyond the NY Post!
Parksloper June 07, 2012 at 12:31 AM
Yes, we should all be reading socialists blogs like The Nation. First, Bloomberg is a Republican because that was the only ticket available. Ask a second grader if you don't believe me. Second, it's not punditry from the NY Post but statistics, facts something you're clearly lacking since you failed to cite any.
tim maguire June 07, 2012 at 02:19 PM
Whether or not it works is not the only question to be asking. I take it as fundamental that in a free society, law abiding citizens have a right to be free of police harassment. If you are not doing anything wrong, then you have a right not to be molested by police trying to fulfill their quotas (think about what quotas mean in a time of declining lawlessness). It means something that this is America and not the Kaiser's Germany. ("Papers, please!") Not all "effective" tactics are permissible.
G June 14, 2012 at 02:37 PM
The Stop and frisk is not an NYPD policy or any other law enforcement policy. It is a power granted by the Criminal Procedure Law and the United States Supreme Court (Terry vs Ohio). Policy would come in when the officers are required by their department to document the stop itself. There is a way to track homicides, robberies and any other crimes. There is also a way to track the number of people stopped by the police. There is no way however of tracking how many lives have been saved due to the police stopping and questioning someone they believe has committed a crime. Also understand every stop is NOT based on the person believed to have had a weapon nor is the person stopped frisked every time. People do not realize these facts either. A person could be stopped if a police officer suspects they have committed any PL misdemeanor or felony. If a person were stopped because the police saw them in a tussle and found no injuries (suspicion of assault) they would then let them go without being arrested or even frisked yet a Stop and Frisk report would still be required. It is not always about weapons and every person stopped is NOT searched.
Larry July 13, 2012 at 06:16 PM
680,000 stops—an increase of over 600 percent since 2002. Eighty-seven percent of those stopped were black or Latino, in a city where those groups comprise 54 percent of the population. And in 99.9 percent of those stops, no gun was recovered. THAT MEANS THAT 680 GUNS WERE RECOVERED; roughly 2 per day. SOUNDS LIKE IT'S WORTH IT TO ME!!
Dios Thunders July 21, 2012 at 12:54 PM
I have been robbed stabbed mugged raped & none were black they were WHITE explain that then at 1 point I had a crack pipe PLANTED ON ME which was thrown out & I was the victium The 70th precent r SOOO currupt & lazy over all btw Stop this stop & frisk The police should b going after real crimminals known 2 b involved in activity & Cumo is right jails r full of people who had a small amount of weed on them the only SANE response here are from PETER ROTHBERG Most of others sound racists & 4 someone 2 say I am a LATINO isnt condemming himself he is LETTING U KNOW what he& people he knows & what he has seen that many r blind 2 I hear California always has great weather why dont all of you move there who are complaining or move to the Bible Belt were you can still say "Come here boy" and those GOD dam Jews & people agree okay whitey and btw i am WHITE cant b any whiter but growing up in Brooklyn & NYC I KNOW what I am talking about. BLOOMBERG KILLED & is KILLING NYC where will we be rid of this egomanic liar monster midget, makes you almost miss DINKINS who was a total disaster why not more or any undercover cops by known crack dealer areas the Q train on COURTLYOU is a BIG druggie place I was asked if i wanted2 $ CRACK n other drugs & I do not look like a CRACKHEAD or druggie @ all,they hang in the candy stores &take out places & out side MADALINES Sycomore all the time MUGGERS 2. cops do 0 & they know all this
Dios Thunders July 21, 2012 at 01:03 PM
Also people who rob w/ guns have no intention to kill its a fear factor Those who resist and attack with guns under counters are more likely to get shot and someone killed THAT IS A FACT. In robeerries across the USA its those who resiste are the ones that nd up dead or kill some one who just wants some fast cash Now justgive it too them DONT BE STUPID & stop n frisk wont end this. Getting rid of BLOOMBERG who let people dystroy this city ripping out tenaments letting rents go insanely high landlords evicting people to renovate (cheaply) and re-rent 2 others 5 times what former tenant was paying & created poverty creates crime Poverty creates crime families going hungry creates crime this is nation wide started by the BUSH ADDMIN. and there OIL MONEY WAR. THE GOPs block OBAMS bills in the senate then blame him 4 the economy He cant wave a magic wand and say this is the LAW thats comunissium Next time you get mugged thank BLOOMBERG and THE GOP stop n frisk hasNOTHING 2 do with it It just fills jails up with kids w/ a joint and CREATES CRIMMINALS
Dios Thunders August 17, 2012 at 01:29 PM
frisk everyone

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