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Cyclists Still Breaking Speed Limit in Prospect Park

A Daily News reporter clocked bikers running red lights and going over the posted speed limit in Prospect Park.

Two pedestrians, , and , have been hospitalized in the past six months with serious injuries after being struck by cyclists in Prospect Park, but the Daily News says that hasn’t slowed anyone down.

A Daily News reporter armed with a radar gun clocked bikers going as fast as 31 mph, though the speed limit for cars and bikes in the park is 25 mph. The reporter also witnessed incidents of bikes speeding through red lights at crosswalks. In a day, 8 out of 50 cyclists broke the speed limit, according to the report.

In January, the 78th precinct vowed to crack down on speeding cyclists, as reported by the Brooklyn Paper and .

“More enforcement will be implemented for bicyclists who disobey traffic laws,” said an unnamed source at the 78th precinct in January. “If [an officer] sees a bicyclist go through a red light it’s the same as if a car does.”

The Daily News reports that just 22 cyclists were ticketed in the park this year.

A few weeks ago, including a new “highly visible” crosswalk and a narrowing of the two-lane road to one lane with orange traffic barrels near the the area where Cohen was struck.

The on November 16, where park users expressed their opinions, ranging from a ban on cars and bikes to better pedestrian education.

“People need to realize that [the drives] are not a velodrome,” said Geoffrey Croft, founder of New York City Park Advocates. “It’s a park with many different users.”

Cohen, a 55-year-old park volunteer, was struck by a cyclist in the park on November 3, and was put into a medically induced coma at Kings County Hospital. Two weeks later, she was fully conscious and breathing on her own, according to a friend.

Jacks was struck by a cyclist in the park on June 11 and sustained serious brain trauma and fractures throughout her face and skull. According to the New York Post, Jacks is suing the City for $3 million, blasting the Parks Department and NYPD for their “negligent, careless and reckless” lack of traffic enforcement inside of the park.

Chicken Underwear November 29, 2011 at 05:18 pm
I read that. How do you expect to make bikers "comply with laws and need to be made to ride safely and with respect and consideration for others".
Do you have any specific ideas? A few bikers are reckliss and you blaim the all.
Flo T November 29, 2011 at 05:44 pm
The fact that Rick conflates the few cyclists commenting here with ALL cyclists in the park shows you his true colors as an abject bike hater. You can not reason with someone predisposed to irrational hatred of bikes. If he thinks a person commenting on a silly little local website represents all cyclists, that's crazy. About as crazy as one of those cycling advocates saying that a driver here represents ALL drivers in NYC.
New York has jerks and nice people. Some ride bikes. Some drive cars. Some walk. Some stay at home. Some are men. Some are women. The list goes on. But to Rick and mw, ALL bikers are reckless, entitled, scofflaws.
Flo T November 29, 2011 at 05:47 pm
Seriously, one person made a comment and Rick said, "you people" need to address the issue at hand. Who are "you people"? I ride my bike safely to go to the farmers market and for exercise. What responsibility do I have to police racers? Do all pedestrians have to walk through the park policing each other?
You people? Please.
Rick Oshea November 29, 2011 at 06:56 pm
Flo and chicken, I am saying what I have said over and over, that there should be policing in the park. Ticket bikers for breaking laws. If you bike civilly then I don't see why you would have an issue with that. Just as with driving a car it would be random and not knowing if there was a cop around it might induce bikers to ride responsibly. And again if you do ride responsibly I don't know why you would be against such measures. In fact if you do ride responsibly I would think you would be unhappy that there are bikers out there giving you a bad name. And no Flo it wasn't one person who wouldn't address the accidents. It was Shuyl, mw, Gloria, chicken underwear, and now you. Not one of "you people" has addressed the need to do something to keep these incidents from happening. Not one of you has expressed alarm that four people have been hit including a tiny child. Not one of you has suggested a solution. Instead everyone here switches the subject to the danger of cars. How does that help tose people who are getting hit by bikes? Please.
Flo T November 29, 2011 at 07:08 pm
So 5 commenters equal ALL bikers. Is that correct, Rick? And people who comment on local blogs are representative of all people? Is that also correct?
Good to know. For the record, I think what has happened recently has been terribly disturbing and I met the family of one of the victims. Absolutely terrible. But how that precludes me from saying that you have to also get cars out of the park is a mystery. Care to elaborate, Rick?
Rick Oshea November 29, 2011 at 07:24 pm
Flo T- Again I didn't say all bikers are guilty. I did say that there needs to be policing and if you're not guiulty it shouldn't be an issue. It wouldn't be an issue. And as I previously stated my comment "you people" was addressed to the list I just mentioned. I am not commenting to the greater world out there but to those people who have posted right here. It is quite a gymnastic twist to imply otherwise. Nice try.
It is refreshing to hear someone say that they are disturbed abnout the recent tragic events. That is the issue that is being addressed in this article. Again for the umpteenth time I have to say that while getting cars out of the park is a good idea it is not the issue being addressed here and to address it here is to distract from a real serious problem that has to be fixed before four more pedestrians are hit. Getting cars out of the park does not fix this danger because it happened when cars were not allowed in the park. It had nothing NOTHING to do with it. That doesn't make it a defense of cars it is a matter of focusing on a serious problem, the issue at hand, and finding a sensible solution. How much more can I elaborate?
Rick O November 29, 2011 at 07:36 pm
Rick, did it ever occur to you that all those signs, lights, and stuff for cars makes it really confusing when cars aren't in the park? If there were better road markings for peds and cyclists, maybe these accidents wouldn't have happened.
Chicken Underwear November 29, 2011 at 07:39 pm
Exactly. Getting the cars out of the park 24/7 would give the DoT and the Parks Dept a chance to make rules that make sense.
Rick Oshea November 29, 2011 at 07:50 pm
Yes this has occurred to me before because bike defenders repeat this ad infinitum. I have responded to this so many times. These people including the woman who was in a coma and a young child on a separate occasion, were crossing the road at Vanderbilt Avenue. Please please please tell me how confusing signs could have contributed to someone not stopping for a crossing pedestrian. It's not confusing and you don't need signs and marked roads to tell you to yield to pedestrians. Again trying to deflect the blame in every direction but a biker who hit someone.
Rick O November 29, 2011 at 08:00 pm
Rick, do you know if the pedestrian had the light or was crossing against the green?
Chicken Underwear November 29, 2011 at 08:03 pm
Was she crossing? Who even knows? it was an accident.
Chicken Underwear November 29, 2011 at 08:07 pm
In Central Park there are signs at every crosswalk telling bikes to yield to pedestrians.
I documented them for the Prospect Park Alliance Safety Committee last Summer.
Rick Oshea November 29, 2011 at 08:10 pm
Rick I don't know if she had the light but bottom line is the pedestrian always has the right of way. But have you ever seen a biker stop for a red light in the park?
Chicken Underwear November 29, 2011 at 08:12 pm
Your assumption that bikes should will get you hurt.
Rick Oshea November 29, 2011 at 08:13 pm
There you have it.
Chicken Underwear November 29, 2011 at 08:15 pm
and your decree that the police should enforce the law will not work. There need to be rules that work in order to make a safe park.
Rick Oshea November 29, 2011 at 09:09 pm
What does that say that even the prospect of police enforcement won't work to get bikers to obey laws? So I guess we should throw in the towel and just accept that there will be more people sent to the hospital. Sounds like a plan to me.
Chicken Underwear November 29, 2011 at 09:23 pm
Do you think people who ride their bike are some unit that can be controlled?
Of course the prospect of enforcement will get some bikers to stop at the lights. But what good is that. A few bikers stopping at red lights and the rest swerving around them. That will not be better. There need to be better rules. That will make Prospect Park Safer
Rick O November 29, 2011 at 09:44 pm
Rick, where in the budget do you propose getting the money to pay for 12-hour NYPD shifts in the park?
Chicken Underwear November 29, 2011 at 09:53 pm
Central Park has signs in every crosswalk telling bikers to yield to pedestrians. From the other side it says "Wrong Way". The presence of the sign also reminds walkers that they are crossing a traffic lane. I think I uploaded a photo of the Central Park sign.
Rick Oshea November 30, 2011 at 01:04 pm
RIck O, you don't have a constant police presence anywhere on the streets of the city but because there is the rather the random chance that police will be there, it goes a long way in inducing people to follow the rules. If there is the chance that police are around it would encourage more civil behavior by bikers. ANd here's one that'll get you screaming. How about having bikers licensed. that would riase reveunes but even more importantly if someone breaks the law and takes off it would make it easier to track them. And here's another one- how about cameras at interscetions in the park. They are at traffic lights all over the city. You're not going to like that one either are you? Or we could keep going as we're going and have more people knocked down and sent to the hospital.
Rick Oshea November 30, 2011 at 01:07 pm
Chicken do you think that people need to be reminded that they are crossing a traffic lane? You don't think that pavement and that crosswalk are a tipoff? And if that doesn't do it you don't think spandex clad bikers screaming at you would get the point across?
Fletcher November 30, 2011 at 02:06 pm
There are many drivers,bicyclists, and pedestrians who do not obey laws or signs.This should be addressed for everyone's safety. The breaking of the law by any one of these is no less significant than the other. The goal is safety for all whether riding a bike, walking or driving. There is plenty of room for improvement all around. As a driver, I am constantly amazed/terrified by the chances folks are willing to take with their lives.
Robert November 30, 2011 at 02:52 pm
Once again.. the cries of.."'help me Government, the world isn't perfect for ME"...
It's a park where people go to exercise and train their bodies. When the Tour D' France has a speed limit then the park bikers should have a speed limit. Speed limits for bikes on commuter bike lanes on the roadways makes some sense but in the park, give us a break. There are many dangers in the park, walk across the ballfields during a game and get hit with a ball; new rule, Styrofoam balls and bats only. It is tragic that there are occasional accidents. Some are events are even preventable but that doesn't mean that we should alway flail around like babies until the big momma government rights some more laws to make me feel better (and thus buy my vote in the next election). There are times when the danger is so great and the events so common that government action makes sense. Try and get a stop light put in and you will realize that there are actual standards as to when a corner is dangerous enough to warrant a light. For anybody really concerned about bicycle danger they should be screaming to close the PPW bike lanes, close the park drive to cars and expand the bike lanes in the park. People will need to take care in crossing (and some people will still be hit on occasion) but we all need to get along without a monitor!!
Carla November 30, 2011 at 03:25 pm
Yes, the PPW bike lane is a horrible danger. Absolutely zero people have been killed by bikes since it went in and cars aren't speeding as much. Kids can bike safely to and from school and soccer practice. There's a safe place to bike late at night when the park is closed. What a disaster.
Rick Oshea November 30, 2011 at 04:19 pm
Oh well some folks are gonna get hit. Hey, what are ya gonna do? Bikers gotta train. Gotta go really fast like the Tour d'France. Funny I thought it was called Propect Park not Prospect Training Grunds. Or Prospect Velodrome. My mistake. And you're right, we don't need no stinkin' government. We don't need police intruding in our lives. Not strong enough to defend yourself if you're mugged. Hey toughen up ,you weakling. Damn sissies! Hit by a bike and looking for an ambulance. Suck it up. Walk to the hospital you baby. Oh wait, the park and it's race track are actually owned by the government. Hey let's bulldoze it and let free enterprise build apartment houses. And the roads you ride to get to the park. Government. Stop looking to the government to patch the potholes. Oh and Robert please know of what you speak. If you ever took a stroll through the park you'd see that there are actually quite a few red lights already up and working. Ah but maybe you've been riding a bike. Apparently if you are riding a bike you can't see them and hence just keep riding.
Rick Oshea November 30, 2011 at 04:22 pm
Apparently the breaking of the law in the park is more significant by some. At least I think that might be the opinion of those who have been hospitalized after being hit by bikes.
Paul Gat December 2, 2011 at 11:34 pm
Suggested solution: When cars are restricted from the park drives have the traffic lights flash red for pedestrians crossing at the crosswalks so they are alerted to STOP before proceeding into the roadway and have the lights flash Yellow for the cyclists and runners so they are alerted to proceed through crosswalks with a cautious eye out for walkers, dogs, unattended children, etc. This way the cyclists and runners won't have to stop for red lights and the pedestrians won't be as likely to walk in front of a bicyle and getting seriously injured as well as causing the cyclist potential serious injury.
Chicken Underwear December 2, 2011 at 11:37 pm
@Paul Gat; That is what I suggested at the Prospect Park Alliance meeting held a few weeks ago.
Steve February 26, 2012 at 08:16 pm
This may be several months late, but I question whether the park has a valid 25 MPH speed limit.
Question: Are there any speed limit signs posted on the park drives? I have carefully circled the park drive several times searching for any 25 MPH speed limit signs posted. So far, I have found none - zero - no signs at all. Unless there are 25 MPH speed limit signs posted in reasonable view of cyclists and drivers, the NYC 30 MPH citywide speed limit applies. The NYC citywide street speed limit is 30 MPH, unless otherwise posted for faster or slower travel. The Daily News clocked cyclists traveling up to 31 MPH. Therefore most were at or below 30 MPH, and even 31 MPH is within the margin of error of the radar guns. Using the NYC 30 MPH speed limit, no cyclist could be said to be speeding. I did, however, finally find a speed limit notice in the park. It was on the three sided bulletin board along the foot path near Grand Army Plaza. The speed limit was included in the fine print text, on the side facing away from the foot path. It was nowhere near the park drive and not even directly visible from the path. Somehow, I don't think this constitutes adequate notice of the change from the citywide street speed limit. Can anyone point to valid speed limit signs along the park drive?

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